Possible Merger

[Jerry Basher]

Air Assassins are looking to merge with another squad.
The reason being is that we feel that the level of new pilots coming to the came is not enough to maintain a recruitment drive.
I also dont like keeping my guys out of competition but we are forced to as we can not guarantee the minimum amount of pilots.
If any squad would be interested in this idea or have any helpful input please leave a post and we can have a chat :)

[j69o]

I will get back with you before the end of the day Jerry.
J

[shrapnel]

Well, Jerry I'm not sure what you mean by a merger and maybe you need to clarify this.

1. Do you mean that you want to give up the AA identity and join another squad?

2. Do you mean that you want another squad to give up its present identity and join yours?

3. Do you mean that you want to give up the AA identity and have another squad do the same so's to form a completely new squad with a different name?

Option 1, I'm sure is a viable one. No doubt there are squads willing to recruit you and your pilots. However, I believe that option has already been offered but wasn't acceptable to you.

Option 2, is a very unlikely occurrence since, as far as I know, all the other squads presently consider themselves to be viable entities and wouldn't be likely to give up their present identity.

Option 3, seems just as unlikely for the same reasons as in Option 2 and even if another squad was prepared to give up its present identity to create a new squad would there then be some sort of power play over who was running it?...politics you know :)

So unless J690 comes up with a solution different from those above, it seems you need to go with Option 1. If he has in mind a merger with Thorn I obviously can't speak for them but I would doubt whether they want to give up their present identity. But hey I look forward to hearing what he has to say at the end of the day.

[Vipor]

Both Raven and Thorn were short on numbers 1st 4sqd match.

Thorn has 40 members registered on CLP and Raven have 16.

Jerry I think it is an admirable offer to merge with another 4sqd sqd to enhance their numbers. Maybe some of you go to one sqd and some to another or all join one and become a mega sqd.

Good Luck today!!

[JoKeR]

AA_Luke proposed a merger of RAVEN and the AA squad to form a new squad.  I presented the proposal to RAVEN and my guys decided that we would keep should keep RAVEN together and if any AA pilots wished to join us they would be fine with it.   I counter offered to AA_Luke and he decided to keep his guys.   

I have no problem with that at all.    We did well with our six and before the end of the second quarter of the match we had our seven pilots any way.   Today we will probably be short for sure as one of our members has had a RL issue to deal with, and I'm pretty sure another one of our members and perhaps two other members are may not be here today also.  To me it doesn't matter, lest you forget I started my gaming here in Air Attack at BSS and when I was accepted into that squad we fought with as little as three pilots in 4 squad matches and that was my very first gaming competition.  That's when I fell in love with this game. And in that same spirit I will take to the skies again, alone if need be, because I still love the game.

JoKeR

[j69o]

Well Rex we do have 40 registered, but very few active,  we always fly short handed
as do the Ravens yet both these squads manage to hold their own. Vipor has come up with a novel concept here, so I propose a "coalition" of squads, that way it won't effect the schedule and we can keep our squads up to strength, the only conflict I see is if the "coalition" squads are scheduled for the same match, but these details can be worked out.
J  

[Tbar]

Air Assassin (AA) is a Tides of War Club Squadron (www.tidesofwar.net)
Jerry is the CO for AA, he is fully authorized to conduct business in the seeking of a merger.

What is important is that pilots that want to compete can be on a squadron that does so. Pilots First, squadron ego second.

There are more considerations, any squadrons or groups that wish to follow up on this.. please contact Jerry, or see me (Tbar) on Team Speak.

Pilots of AA that move as a unit to another squadron.. would wear the tag of that squadron as a normal member.
Should a squadron or group wish to Merge with AA and wear the AA Tag they would have the following advantages IF they choose to do so:

>> AA is a Member of the USAAC
>> AA has fully functional Web Site
>> Team Speak 3
>> Forums

Chose of CO is left with the member pilots ( all of them ) after the merge.

Joker, I am not sure why Luke turned down your offer. I will speak to him and see what can be done. I don't see why AA can't stay together and still fly with Ravens... both of you would benefit. For that matter, even BSS pilots can fill in for Ravens if you wanted them to. I think that AA or BSS can be viewed as a 'Reserve Pool of Pilots' that can fill in with notice. This warrants a chat I think Joker :)

[TANK]

4squad allows guest pilots, so why not looking for a squad who accepts AA pilots as guest ?
Raven sure needs some more pilots to fill up the runway, Thorn and some others maybe too.

[j69o]

Ok Jerry Taking into consideration of all things said here I have been authorized to speak for Thorn, so what do you have in mind? Post it here or PM me.
Ravens if we can help you let me know also.
J 

[skullbonz]

    The problem here is that the good pilots want to fly on the good squads,everyone wants to be on the winning side. Then you have the"I want to be the CO" syndrome so combining 2 squads to make one is not a possibility. No one also wants to guest pilot for an underdog squad but would gladly guest pilot on a winning squad. We have been actively seeking recruits or guest pilots for several months now and have had no luck.
     The truth is that ego's prevent this from ever happening so thanks for all your concerns,but it won't work.
   

[j69o]

Bonz I do not consider this a "Squad" merger, merely that we need pilots for 4 Squad and AA want to play in it, so its mutually beneficial for our 2 respected squads, Thorn is not the best squad out there but we are not the worst. Keep in mind this is a UK based squad so attitudes are a lot different with them.
J   

[skullbonz]

  Well John maybe this will shed a bit more light on where I was coming from. We(meaning Raven's) were approached with the idea of forming a new squad with this merger,new name and all. We declined,naturally but welcome any that want to join or guest pilot for Ravens.
   As for getting new recruits. It is impossible to get experienced pilots until someone gets pissed off enough at the squad they have been with for years and quits. Then it usually takes some fast footwork and a lot of talking to try and get them but of course in the end they pick the squad that wins the most.
   As for grabbing the newbs,ha,ha,ha. Most of them don't stick around more than a few months and finally get sick of being constantly pummelled and move on to a different game. I know,I have seen many go on this and the last squad I have been in,not to mention the countless that never even get near the squad joining stage,they never had a chance.
   Ego's John,that's what it is all about here. No one wants to truly help a new squad out to get numbers and/or good. They all say they do but the words are transparent. New squads are a threat to their egos. We are taught as societies that that anything short of winning is nothing. We are taught that if you are not a winner,you are a looser. Looser's are shamed upon as evident in sporting events around the world that all of us include in our daily lives. It is so much in our lives that some of us live that way. Everyone wants to be a winner. How better to insure that then joining a winning squad that most likely has to many members already.

    We are actively seeking new and guest pilots John so if your offer of help means you would like to guest pilot or join Ravens,we happily accept your help. But it looks like you also told Jerry this and you have your own squad. I bet I know what the outcome will be. Seen it many times before m8. No hard feelings towards anybody,that's just life!

[Tbar]

I spoke to Joker .. he's on the same page as I am.

I will speak to Luke, I think his presentation was off and asking to much.

I will help work this out .. but not here on the forums :)

/tbar

[j69o]

Bonz if I was in position to I would guest with you guys,I am flattered that you asked.
Now Back to Jerry and his situation, the AA's would be of great value to Thorn in the 4 squad and they would have a squad to fly with and  keep their squad intact till they can grow in AA , this is a win win situation for the AA's and Thorn.
J

[shrapnel]

I will help work this out .. but not here on the forums :)
/tbar

There's no secret about how it can work as long as Luke isn't seeking a position of leadership within the solution.

There's nothing to prevent pilots from being in two squads as long as one of the squads isn't competing. RB which isn't competing has pilots in TFKM. BSS ,which doesn't compete, has pilots flying in other squads and there's nothing to prevent Luke and his pilots from joining other squads without disbanding  Air Assassins. The operative point is that no pilot may belong to more than one competing squad. The second alternative is simply, as has been pointed out, for independent pilots or those in non competing squads to sign up as guest pilots.

As TBar says, Luke just seems to have been looking for more than is possible. And as Bonz has said nothing will be achieved if personal ego's get in the way. If these factors are eliminated there is no reason at all to prevent every pilot who wants to compete from doing so.