EQUAL POWER MEANS EQUAL SIDES ALSO

[skullbonz]

  I can not see how a league could justifiably be called Equal Power when many matches are being held with unequal sides. Equal Power should be Equal Power all the way! Not this Half*** equal Power with the only thing being equal are the planes,not very sporting or challenging. You all better hope I never run any of these because there will be none of this unequal side crap with me.

  I am taking the first step in this matter and WASP squad will not fly any matches outnumbering our opponents. If they only have 5,we fly 5,if they only have 6,we will fly 6,and so on. I know some of the other squads enjoy outnumbering their opponent and beating them into the ground with all their superior pilots that probably could have won anyway if it was even numbers. I for one and I think I speak for the rest of the squad also, do not like the feeling of winning this way. I believe it is time for the rest of you to be respectful and honorable and do the right thing by following my lead.

  I will also disregard this policy when facing any squads that continue to fly more pilots if the chance ever arrives where the tables are turned and I will complain if you are late starting in order to stall for time.

   There now I said it! Let's here the egotistical answers that try to justify flying with uneven numbers in Equal Power!  

[Gunfighter]

hey skull, i agree with you, however....... if you think about it, getting enough pilots to fly seems to be hard for some teams and not so hard for others, by the time everyone who has shown up to fly is there, its disappointing to see the other squad with not enough pilots and you really want to fly. no one wants to sit, no one. not after making it possible to be there for the time scheduled. so then its who sits and the part that sucks comes into play(sitting). Thats one reason why i think that you will find squads willing to fly with more pilots than the other, they what to fly dammit! once the killing begins no one cares they just want the battle and don't really care about the enemy. just my thoughts. would be cool if the pilots who sit could participate but its not set up that way,always been like that. oh and remember its just a game, may be we could have a  league where you fly no matter how many pilots show up, oh yeah its called ffa. lol

[skullbonz]

  I don't care how many extra pilots have to sit,I am not talking rule changes here, I am talking about doing the right thing and having some honor. 

  Did anyone ever think about the reason why some only have 5 when there are many more on their roster? Maybe it is a time zone problem and it is 4 in the morning,or some other personal or pc problems,whatever the case they are flying with fewer pilots.

   As I have said in a few other post's, Many of you in all the funevents constantly are watching the numbers and complaining to the ref about the sides being uneven yet in a serious match you all jump at the chance to fly with uneven sides. I just don't get it.

[Ghost]

Can you give us some examples of this in the current EP comp where a team has been badly outnumbered and hammered?.. I'm genuinely interested to know.

[Temper]

There now I said it! Let's here the egotistical answers that try to justify flying with uneven numbers in Equal Power!

You should wait til after people reply, then insult them.

  back at ya

[popgun]

 well
1st let me say that  I agree that even teams
would help iron out the the EP end of this,

 However as gunfighter pointed out our squad has
 good numbers turnout for practices and matches

 It is a shame that many times we have to sit 2 to 4 pilots
because the other squad cant match the numbers

 I realize that because of problems with time zones some players cant be present.
This is a problem with 5 different squads. Unfortunately we cant fix this for everyone.
 Your squad needs one time while the squad your against wants the other time.
Believe me it is imposable to to make everyone happy.

 so by setting a limit like 7 pilots can fly, anything after that has to be matched 8 vs 8 ect.
the team that has a regular showing of pilots can fly most of them.
Why be on a squad if don't get to fly the full match.

 The team that has more pilots does not have to fly them, That is up to the CO's
Although I know if they chose to match numbers against skill it be more fair.

If tigers only had 5 to fly and we had 7 we would put all 7 in ,mainly because 5 tigers would
still probably still win against our 7.

 If you have a suggestion that would make the majority happy then by all means lets hash it out
 I gave up trying to make everyone happy

 

 
 
 

 

[skullbonz]

    Throws my hands up and walks away shaking my head,geesh you all missed the point.

[DarkDave]

Well I think the rules are correct as they are.
When many of us first started playing the game was 12 vs 12+wildcard, so 7 is already small.

The problem was, new and up&coming teams used to get big turnouts but older teams who perhaps were starting to lose interested would not have bothered to recruit and train new players if they only needed to use a handful of their best guys.  I know that doesn't really apply so much now because there aren't enough new players.
But their must be some limit Skull?

We can't have a squad game turn into a 1v1?  would a 2v2 be ok? I'd guess not, so what is the limit, I assume something like a 4v4 would be about the smallest possible?

I liked Pop's previous idea allowing guest pilots because some players don't want to commit but would play sometimes. (I just wanted the rules clarified to stop anyone trying to cause trouble)


But I agree with what you saying Skull, it doesn't need a rule people should just know to play fair.
Tigers do match numbers with teams who have less, as much for our benefit as our opponents, just makes for a better game.


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If we did want a new rule, maybe something like each team can state before the start of the league how many players they can play as minium.
Maybe BBC 10,  Tigers 8, GermanEagles 6, Thorn 5, etc etc.
Then when BBC play Thorn, BBC know they only need 5 players for that event, but if Thorn for whatever reason did not manage to get 5, the opponent could still play 5, since thats what they were expecting.
This way, the bigger teams would be able to sort out how many players to invite/register for an event before hand, rather than having 4-5 guys sitting out. And the smaller team would be more likely to have players show up, knowing they aren't going to be disadvantaged.
(ofcourse that shouldn't stop teams from playing fair if they felt there was a genuine reason their opponent was short on players)

Also it would be good to allow any random guests, as long as the opponent squad agreed to the guest player, (just to avoid any bizarre grudges etc).

[DarkDave]

btw why was this topic moved out of the league forum when it is refering to the league?

[Temper]

    Throws my hands up and walks away shaking my head,geesh you all missed the point.

Then make your point again, but do it without insulting those that would reply.

[Macdarragh]

Hey Bonz,
What you say makes perfect sense to me. Thee will always be those who begrudge one way or the other. If the game is supposed to have equal sides that means everything should be as equal as possible. The objective of the game is to find out who has the best pilots, not the most. Might, despite what others would have us believe, is not always right. Fairness and equality are the only basis on which to judge.
You Go Bonz

[majorpain]

my question is why bring this up now after round 2 week 4 of EP League ?
the time to bring this up would  of been when the rules was posted before
this league started the first time. when my squad is short of limit i have no
complaints if other squad fly by what limit is set at because i understand the
limit is set to be fair as possible to play in the league.

[Kujo]

  EP most of the time as we all have come to grudgingly accept (some more than others) just can not stay even in numbers for a host of reasons.  Now with this EP league in the future the possibility of having that being the case by making it a rule is a possibility. Personally i have liked the format as it is and thank those responsible. Skully i like you m8 but could you be getting wound just a bit to tight? I do not think your original point is missing here but possibly at least in part the origin of the frustration carries over from the regular EP games?

[skullbonz]

  I'm not getting wound and I am dropping this once again,I did bring this up in the beginning and got about the same response. I should have known. Trying to influence fairness and honor in others is risky business around here and I apologize for winding you all up.  You can all calm down now and put the pitch forks and clubs away,lol.

[shrapnel]

Removed on principle