What is the answer?

[USHA_Slayer]

I have to say I enjoy flying in the fun events, competing in the squad matches and having a good time in teams flying with friends and team mates. But the fun events are not as fun as they used to be for me. There is quite a bit of frustration that leads to disrespect and unsportsmanlike behavior in the arenas now. The friendly banter is now being replaced with foul language, gestures, accusations against other pilots. This saddens me for it really takes the enjoyment out of the game and for any new people that happen to see this behavior and decided that this game is not for them and leaves.

The fun event managers do a great job setting up the fun events for everyone's enjoyment. What is not fair to them is the constant bickering between pilots, teams when the sides get uneven. This is something that the Ref's can not control. For example in Back Yard Brawl, the teams get unbalanced due to pilots joining wanting to fly with their team mates or pilots getting shot down switch sides or leave. What is the answer to this problem? Instead of getting upset and frustrated and then slinging foul language, accusations why not just politely inform the Ref or Event Manager that the teams are grossly uneven. I don't know what the answer is but getting upset and what happens after that is not the answer.

Anyway kudos to all the Event Managers who give their time to provide us with some fun things to do playing the great game of Air Attack.

[Vipor]

Answer:

Get a sysops in there. Make it CLEAR in the rules or before the fun event starts that there will be no toleration for such foolishness you mentioned.

I will be glad to volunteer to give this a try as I have not had to boot anyone in a long long time.   

As for keeping teams even, this is very hard to do with all that goes on. I think Tank has been asked if there is a way to take away the choice so that when anyone joins it sends them to the nation w/ the least pilots. If that were possible, it would solve many issues.

One thought I have that may be hard to do, is to NOT have teammates or sqds/friends always on same side. Let it be random. This is what fun events are for. Leagues are for united sqds to play in. Fun events, In my opinion should be everyone randomly joining a side and flying the event. Is it possible to make it where once you enter you are in till you leave and cannot rejoin? ( That would prevent teaming up to some degree)

All of these are thoughts that may or may not work. It is just brainstorming here spo lets here some more ideas...

Good post Slayer

[skullbonz]

   Not sure what the answer is and I'm not saying anymore on the grounds that I may incriminate myself,lol. 

[Mrs_Mutley]

Maybe a 'gender' change is in order Bonzy lol

Got to be honest, although we get uneven sides during games, there's enough 'gentleman' who change over when asked, and maybe cos the ref's a girlie I have not found anyone being overly aggressive

However I do feel that Vipor has hit the nail on the head when he says pilots like to fly with their team mates.

Personally I think there is much more fun to be had by killing members of my own squad ('Mutley' for example), especially when you're all on ts together.

On this point, it might be an idea not to split up teams on teamspeak, everyone can hear and therefore it makes it much more of a fun event as opposed to a squad event.

'Fun' events should be just that, a bit of light relief, a time for everyone to get together and have a laugh
So next time you join, think of the likes of Slayer, show respect for one another and just have fun!

Group hug 

Let's parrrrrrrrrrrtyyyyyyy..............

[skullbonz]

Even when I don't say anything you go after me. Do I do the same to you? No as a matter of fact I have a great deal of respect for you,I guess it's misplaced.

[Mrs_Mutley]

Eeeeek! Bonzy I really didn't mean that as a slur to you babe....I think you do a brilliant job, hell you come up with all kinds of stuff. You put a huge effort and time into the game, which I for one much appreciate!

After re-reading my post, I can see why you may be offended - (which is something I wouldn't do for the world) it really wasn't meant like that

It was just to say if guys don't misbehave because they have a woman reffing I think that that respect should be for any 'ref' no matter what 'gender' in other words... what has Bonzy got to do to stop you guys arguing - get a sex change?!

I just think it is disrespectful to the ref and others in the game, when guys slag off each other and act aggressively

In hindsight I should not have mentioned you at all in that post, as it has nothing to do with you the way people act in game

I also wanted to make the point that there are many pilots that do indeed play by the rules and have fun
It is a shame that a 'few' can spoil the enjoyment for others



Again Bonzy I apologize, I have the greatest respect for you - it was a sad attempt at humour

[Kujo]

 Why not let the person running the event simply designate some one possibly on both sides to keep track of those that join and have them message who needs to switch sides. That should take some of the stress off, after that any foolishness should and could be handled by a Sysop. All being on the same TS could be a benefit also but for some that would not be an option.

[Tbar]

The answer to the problem is really very simple and in part or whole is contained within the response. the key is always with the Event Handler, they can either control the room, or let the room control them. That simple. If they feel they need the assistance of a sysops.. all they need do is ask, they don't need the power themselves

1) Get Sysops to get off their butts and take care of the language and room disruption. Key words "room distruption". Anyone guilty of this needs to be removed. Next fun event, they will appreciate things more. Language they should do without any 'asking'.. period.

2) Even teams. Who said War is Fair.. or that even teams are necessary for a good time and all times? It is NOt needed. In most cases over a few minutes those teams will balance out and be fair. Trying to get everything perfect at start up is... futile. Never going to happen, never has.  I think that some players with egos and/or are just very good, would love the chance for a few of them to "take on the room" :)

3) Good Sportsmanship. OK, this one they either got it.. or they don't and not much can be done about it except to kindly point it out.


Fun Event Handlers .. simply take control of the room or give the job to someone who can.

SysOps.. get off your butts and do your job. You know what is foul language, you know what is flamming etc .. do the job or resign.  Personaly I think the SysOps do a wonderul and meaningful job.. but sometimes you have to remind them they are SysOps espcially when they are part of the problem

[Temper]

Sorry for the delay in my reply, it took a while to get off my butt.

Tbar, since you weren't there, you really don't know what happened, do you? We can't prevent bad behavior, we can only deal with it, after it happens. It's similar to posts on the forums. You can't delete those that you deem inappropriate, until they have been posted.

Those of us that actually play the game are doing our jobs, you should try playing once in a while and you would see that.

Maybe you should just sit down on your butt, and be quiet.

[Tbar]

I have to say I enjoy flying in the fun events, competing in the squad matches and having a good time in teams flying with friends and team mates. But the fun events are not as fun as they used to be for me. There is quite a bit of frustration that leads to disrespect and unsportsmanlike behavior in the arenas now. The friendly banter is now being replaced with foul language, gestures, accusations against other pilots. This saddens me for it really takes the enjoyment out of the game and for any new people that happen to see this behavior and decided that this game is not for them and leaves.

The fun event managers do a great job setting up the fun events for everyone's enjoyment. What is not fair to them is the constant bickering between pilots, teams when the sides get uneven. This is something that the Ref's can not control. For example in Back Yard Brawl, the teams get unbalanced due to pilots joining wanting to fly with their team mates or pilots getting shot down switch sides or leave. What is the answer to this problem? Instead of getting upset and frustrated and then slinging foul language, accusations why not just politely inform the Ref or Event Manager that the teams are grossly uneven. I don't know what the answer is but getting upset and what happens after that is not the answer.

Anyway kudos to all the Event Managers who give their time to provide us with some fun things to do playing the great game of Air Attack.

Dear Mr Temper,

Please note the following:
AA Operations Forum.. open to the public.
Title of Post : What is the answer
No where in the above post does it say .. if you fly once in a while .. if you were there, you may respond. I wonder if every person reading this post was there .. or is a guilty party.

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Now to answer you directly, please note the very positive comments I made about the SysOps .. and I do feel that way.

Also, I have been there.. done that. I'm not speaking as one that does not have first hand knowledge. I am a "sysops" in other games much larger than AA, so I can appreciate the job ( and flak) they take. I understand the difficulties.

Why do you take things as a pesonal insult to you .. or so it seem to me via your reply. It was not, nor an insult to your team. Sometimes we all need a friend to kick start us.

I would say its about time you got off your butt and paid attention to this thread :)
By your answer, I would have to say to "Mr Slayer" what are you talking about, none of what you say could possible happen because "those of us that actually play the game are doing our jobs".. so what could possible be the problem??  Could you kindly restate that problem.

Mr Temper I would ask that you revisit my post. Its simply an opinion like anyone else would make. Sorry it hurt you, was not meant to be. The problem stated is a social problem, and we are all part of the social envirionment, even the SysOps.

I'll take your advise however .. and "butt" out as obviously one must have 'been there' in order to have an opionon. :)

(To ALL. Now one would think I'm one that has a problem with Mr Temper. I am not, I like the guy very much. Hardly ever have a harsh word with him, nor have I ever pulicly critized him.. or privately.  Mr Temper may have a problem with me, but its not mutual)

[Temper]

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, even the uninformed. Apparently you have missed the point. Maybe someone else will try to explain it to you.

[Kujo]

 What i get out of Slayers post is simply some one expressing concern citing there own impression and how it relates to there willingness to participate. He also shows a desire to have event handlers given some respect and slack. I read nothing else into his post and also can completely relate to that.
 Debating things such as this is a healthy thing even if it gets a bit off track but i must say to Tbar this is a very small community and personally it strikes me that dealing with it is a whole different ball of wax compared to how things should be dealt with in a large community. My position has always been one of thankfulness towards those that contribute to this community including Tbar who back some time ago i remember some good fights with. I wish he would jump back in more along with others that have gotten frustrated or upset with people that take part in AA.
 I hope this is not deleted but i can also relate to this song

Making it Work

[USHA_Slayer]

Kujo my friend, I could not have said it any better!!!!  Great song, really enjoyed it.

[Tbar]

I'm not uninformed, nor have a missed the point :)
I didn't have to be there to understand clearly Mr Slayers plea for players to 'be nice', it "just ain't no fun when long term know better pilots act up like that.
So the solution is to put some social pressure on them.. via other players condeming such action, SysOps lowing the boom, and/or banning them from the Fun Event room for a period of time.

[skullbonz]

I'm not uninformed, nor have a missed the point :)
I didn't have to be there to understand clearly Mr Slayers plea for players to 'be nice', it "just ain't no fun when long term know better pilots act up like that.
So the solution is to put some social pressure on them.. via other players condeming such action, SysOps lowing the boom, and/or banning them from the Fun Event room for a period of time

  So this is your answer Mr Tbar? Ban them?  If you had been flying in any of the events Slayer was talking about and actually seen what has been transpiring in the last several months you would know what is going on. Obviously you don't know. You also may not know that none of the rest of us with banning power take any enjoyment in banning anyone for any amount of time ever. You obviously do. It was a banning that started the whole mess. So where did the banning get us then? Right where we are now reading your uninformed responses in a thread that basically is asking peolple to CHILL OUT !