April 3rd Agenda Recommendation

[H@wk]

BSS with 40 listed pilots is spoiling the league for everyone and embarrassing USAAC by forfeiting matches for 2nd week.

Second week only 2 pilots show for match.

I propose that consideration be given to removing them from membership of USAAC.

[JoKeR]

lol Funny Hawk, Got anymore jokes,  Shame the SNL league is not a USAAC sanctioned event. It might work.  You're such a joke,  Made we should change tag names.
 lol


JoKeR

[Vipor]

Joker, are you insinuating that because SNL-KTF is not a USAAC sanctioned league that it is ok for BSS to not show up for 2 weeks in a row in a league that BSS signed up for and cannot be held accountable for it?

If this is the case, I will be sure to let the powers that run leagues from TAA and UK know so they can determine in the future whether or not to invite BSS to participate in any non USAAC sanctioned leagues or events.

Please clarify so we can proceed the correct way.

Cheers,

 

[USHA_ACTION]

Salute!

So the question now to ask ourselves......is if a squad belonging to USAAC, can only be part of the USAAC, if they do not forfeit matches?

I'm sorry, but I don't get it.

Perhaps, BSS has a good reason for not updating their active pilot list........I don't really care.  Are we going to start kicking out pilots and squads now?

I don't really know.....but I thought USAAC stood for the growth of new and exisiting pilots and squads?

Perhaps we should discuss why pilots and squads would want to stay with USAAC?


I guess, I'm thinking and asking myself.........Does USHA or any squad really need to be part of USAAC?  

It's TIME for change!

I PROPOSE AT THIS TIME....... WE NOT CONSIDER ANY SQUAD BEING REMOVED FROM MEMBERSHIP OF USAAC.

USHA_ACTION_XO

[H@wk]

Consider if you would that a Squad prepares and pilots devote there time to attend a schedule match and ask the opposing Squad's C/O or X/O if any more then 2 pilots will be showing and the answere you get is "i don't know, it's typical" with a 40 pilot roster there must be something wrong and if that roster does not reflect the true Squad count then it should be updated at least once a month as to not look like it's inflated with inactive pilots.

Obviously it is not the intention to kick Squads from the USAAC but rather to hold them accountable for there representation to the USAAC if in fact there Squad is a member.

What is the sense of having a new Squad go thru a 90 day probation period to have the honor of being affiliated with the USAAC entering into League's, no matter who sponsers it, and knows they cannot field at least the minimium amount of pilots required.

It seems that this agenda request is a joke but then again we must ask ourselves is the BSS a joke to the USAAC?

My proposal still stands for discussion at next meeting.

[Aegle]

Just when I think there is nothing else you folk can argue about you find something. Please, in the name of sanity and decency, step back and stop pushing each other around. When there is a problem try to find out what it is first and discuss it rationally with each other. Allow everyone concerned to explain their problem before yelling insults at each other.

Sometimes I think you all deserve a good spanking.

[H@wk]

I would be the 1st in line for the spanking if I warranted one.

It is BSS that needs to explain or show this community that indeed BSS has even half of what there roster depicts and knew this before they signed up for a league.

I believe they have more then enough time to show that they are a bona fide Squad with there upcomming matches and communication with there pilots if any.

If I am wrong, no harm no foul, if I am correct then there needs to be change in what USAAC see's is exceptable to represent it, ask TEA Squadron, they are still waiting to be excepted.

The standards that all USAAC Squads should by right be adhered to otherwise the USAAC does not uphold it's standards and will not sit right with other communities.

[FortyFive]

So HAWK....you have never been in a squad that was building or rebuilding???  Or in a squad that just had a hard time making numbers for a short time??

Hell look across the pond.  How many matches have some of their squads not had numbers or flew light????  

I dont see you going off on them????  

Just wait summer is coming and ALL squads have problems with numbers when the weather gets nice (rember 2 squad lasting OVER a year!!!).

I vote cool down and relax :)  give them some time and also since when should we vote out a squad when getting people involved is the name of the game????

@ Vipor cool down m8 he wasnt bashing accross the pond at all just asking HAWK where his (HAWKS) rights were for getting BSS kicked out of a league :)

[USHA_Slayer]

Hi All,

I was looking on the CLP the squad roster and found that BSS has 27 members listed not 40, just wanted to clear that up.

Now has everyone forgot about a squad called Evil that consistently did not have the numbers to fly and forfeited many matches. I do not ever remember the UK wanting to kick them out of the UK Air Attack Club.

I am sorry but this seems that someone did not get their way so they are trying something different. I mean hey lets just get it over with and rename the USAAC to TSAAC and make Hawk the Grand Poo Bah.

Oh and by the way I am back...  Take Care All,

Usha_Slayer/Skydancer

[H@wk]

So HAWK....you have never been in a squad that was building or rebuilding???  Or in a squad that just had a hard time making numbers for a short time??

Hell look across the pond.  How many matches have some of their squads not had numbers or flew light????  

I dont see you going off on them????  

Just wait summer is coming and ALL squads have problems with numbers when the weather gets nice (rember 2 squad lasting OVER a year!!!).

I vote cool down and relax :)  give them some time and also since when should we vote out a squad when getting people involved is the name of the game????

@ Vipor cool down m8 he wasnt bashing accross the pond at all just asking HAWK where his (HAWKS) rights were for getting BSS kicked out of a league :)

Evil always admitted they were short handed and then conceded they could not compete as a Squad.

BSS is not in the building stage.

Yes, there have been times 45 but to be told "I don't know, it's typical" says something in itself about the C/O and X/O that were there if in fact they know who there pilots are or even talked to them.

@Slayer,

Welcome back and you are so wrong, you were once again a day late.

As of yesterday there were 40 pilots and now pruned to the # you see, let the Admins of the CLP check to see if that is what has been done.

And would you define what TSAAC represents? and I surely hope what I think is a mistake because that will show how sour you really are.

[Temper]

[shrapnel]

Those of you who took the trouble to attend the last USAAC meeting will know that a committee was formed for the purpose of considering a new charter for itself. I am a member of that committee and I don’t think it would be out of place for me to tell you that one of the items taxing us is what qualifications if any should be necessary for a squad to register with USAAC.

While it is difficult to come up with objective criteria for being registered I don’t think anyone on the committee believes that an existing registered squad should be expelled except in extraordinary circumstances. We all know how difficult it can be sometimes for people to balance their real lives with their virtual life commitments. Nevertheless from a competition point of view one could reasonably expect any squad to honestly appraise its own resources before making competitive commitments.

Many of you have valid and relevant views on this subject. Obviously when a squad cannot field enough numbers to compete in an event it is frustrating to those who do turn up from either side. Any suggestions on this issue would be healthy but my advice would be to do so in a constructive manner and keep personalities out of it.

[Vipor]

45, I am calm mate. Joker’s whole response was not cool. Just rubbed me the wrong way as I know how frustrating it is to get a full squad to turn up only to have their opponent not show. I think Hawk only wants this issue to be brought up at next BoD. And Hawk said nothing of the league mate, that would be up to those in charge of said league, which Joker made perfectly clear it is not the USAAC.

What difference does it make if a competitive league is sanctioned by the USAAC or as to whether said squad is to be held accountable for showing up to fly the match or not.

Joker, the C/O of BSS made a mockery of Hawk's plea for some accountability. I am not agreeing that any squad should be removed from USAAC at this point. I do agree for it to be on the agenda to discuss. Is there something in place to where a member of the BoD cannot make agenda recommendations?


I also am on the committee with Shrapnel, Kid & Tbar to help facilitate change for the betterment of this site, the members of USAAC as well as for the squads who are members. And not to be left out of course is for the betterment of this game.

Representing the USAAC are squads registered and to sign up for any league or event only to be a no show for the first two matches I feel is not representing the USAAC the way the member body of the USAAC would prefer. I may be wrong.

To have the C/O of said squad make a post of this nature is also not conducive to what we are all about. Sorry, just my opinion and I am sticking to it.

FYI- BSS roster has been trimmed since I last looked. Moot point as not many squads that can produce 6, 7 or more pilots for a match have more than 27 members registered at CLP. Three in fact have more, Thorn, USHA and AA.

[JoKeR]

Wow, I can't believe that so many people is taking Hawks joke so seriously.  I all reality a sane person would never of made such an agenda item request.   You want answers, ok I got them.  Last year when the SNL league came around we did not participate, because when I made a post about it in our squad forums I did not receive enough responses from my squad in order to enter this league. When we didn't we got belittled over it. Fine!  This time around I barely got enough responses from my team, so I entered our team in the league hoping we would have enough players to man the event. Unfortunately we have not. Partly because one, due to RL issues I have been unable to be online again till this past Friday.
I tried to keep up with things by driving around town trying to find open hot spots so I could at least try to see what was going on and to keep up with things in the USAAC. 

As far as the SNL KTF league is concerned I think it is a very fun game and I want to participate in it I can't force my guys to show up. And I'm willing to bet the C/O's of other squads can't force there members to show up to a match either.  Secondly, A lot of the pilots who were showing up on our CLP roster haven't flown with the BSS in quite a while

Yesterday, after seeing Hawks delusional post I  all the went and counted our members, We had a total of 38.  In order to make Mr Hawk happy I trimmed our roster down and took out all of the pilots who haven't flown with us in quite a while with the exception of a few due to them being new to the game and have applied for membership just recently, or pilots who have been with us for a very long time and due to personal issues haven't been able to fly with us. I keep them there because still they are loyal BSS pilots and they will stay on the roster as long as 'm the C/O of the BSS or are removed by the powers that be which I have no control over.

If you want to get down to brass tacks this whole issue is personal by Mr. Hawk.  He, as well as a couple of other people have a vendetta against one particular member of our squad.  Since he can't seem to get any satisfaction at the USAAC meetings so he now wants to drag the whole our squad into his personal dream world.

Now to Mr. Vipor, I'm sorry if what I said in my first post sounded like I was brushing off the SNL league as if it didn't matter. It was not my intention.  The reference to the league not being sponsored by the USAAC had nothing to do with the SNL league other than to point out that Mr. Hawks point was moot to the USAAC because the USAAC does not sponsor that event and really has no jurisdiction to remove us from the USAAC because of Mr. Hawks dislike of one of our squad members.

I personally want to participate in the event and I would love to have my guys show up for it, but as I stated previously, I can't force my squad members to show up. If you have that kind of power over your squad, then congratulations to you.   

The funny thing is I didn't see anyone complaining when a couple of the teams  had quite a few forfeits during 2 squad league.   I guess we are just the lucky squad that has everyone's attention at the moment due to our outstanding forward progress to becoming one of the top squads in AA.  I apologize if we have offended you by doing what I thought was the right thing to do.  WIN!!

Cheers!


JoKeR
CO/BSS

[H@wk]

If you want to get down to brass tacks this whole issue is personal by Mr. Hawk.  He, as well as a couple of other people have a vendetta against one particular member of our squad.  Since he can't seem to get any satisfaction at the USAAC meetings so he now wants to drag the whole our squad into his personal dream world.

Mr. Joker,

You are so wrong and the member you speak of is not a Member of BSS rather Air Assasins or who knows what. It seems Mr. Joker and a few make up rules and wants as fits there Agenda.

I have no Dream World and certainly do not think about a self-satisfaction at a meeting for this community, maybe it was the attitude of the one officer who replied, "I don't know, it's typical", that didn't sit well with some and not to mention a ref that is 5 to 6 hours ahead of our time that shown for the match.

You are so off base it's pathetic, not to know what's going on in your Squad and most likely no preperation of communication let alone the disrespect you portray to others with a statement that you don't know as if your just a pilot in BSS and maybe you are.

Cheers

H@wk
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