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Inferno
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« on: May 28, 2009, 04:11:11 AM »

One system. one place = good idea

Does the new super server have anything to do with Tbar.com, Townet or anything you are associated with? What has been your involvement in the new super server upgrade?
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« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2009, 11:44:02 PM »

Temper,

Lets update you and all the readers a little bit. As you have probably guessed by now there is a reason for this post.. its not only to 'inform' but to collect information and find out what some 'fears' might be .. to be addressed and put to rest later.

The server the CLP is on now is a super computer. It can handle 50 times what it does now (relative). That server is short is powerful. It could handle all communities, all squad sites, and more. No problem.

Maybe.. one day.. soon.

Lets try this agaian Tbar,

One system. one place = good idea

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« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2009, 02:55:04 PM »

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« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2009, 04:04:38 PM »

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« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2009, 11:18:49 PM »

He must feel as if he doesnt have to answer Firestorm.

Same old. Nothing changed.

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« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2009, 12:11:07 AM »

Before this topic is sidetracked any further could Inferno and Firestorm explain what they are after in terms simple enough for this slow thinking guy to understand?

The topic appears to be aimed at encouraging discussion about what USAAC is about and what can be done to make it more effective. Amongst other things there is a suggestion that there could be a central registration system on the CLP server.  This seems to have motivated Inferno into asking where the CLP server is, who is responsible for it and who is updating it.

What are these questions leading to and for what purpose?
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« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2009, 02:31:42 AM »

Before this topic is sidetracked any further could Inferno and Firestorm explain what they are after in terms simple enough for this slow thinking guy to understand?

The topic appears to be aimed at encouraging discussion about what USAAC is about and what can be done to make it more effective. Amongst other things there is a suggestion that there could be a central registration system on the CLP server.  This seems to have motivated Inferno into asking where the CLP server is, who is responsible for it and who is updating it.

What are these questions leading to and for what purpose?

With all Due respect Shrapnel,,,,,

My post and question is very very precise and to the point. And this topic is NOT about the USAAC it clearly inquires about the AA Community in the title and then talks of other micro communities within the AA community.

Let me break it down again for you ,and by the way I hate having to break it down. It would have been so much simpler to just get the answer to the questions.

Tbar starts a thread entitled " whats the purpose of the AA community". A topic that encompasses everybody who flys in this game. He gets a few well intended responses and the discussion begins.

Here again is Tbars 3rd post in the discussion:

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Temper,

Lets update you and all the readers a little bit. As you have probably guessed by now there is a reason for this post.. its not only to 'inform' but to collect information and find out what some 'fears' might be .. to be addressed and put to rest later.

So now we get to the "reason" of the started thread.... not only to inform but to collect information and
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find out what some 'fears' might be .. to be addressed and put to rest later

So now a "fear" is presented but not discussed or answered by MR Tbar who has verbally said at more than one meeting that he is the guy who doesn't hide anything and answers all questions and concerns. he has also posted that he is this same wonderful all answering person as well.

Yet here we are watching Inferno get all involved again with a simple question and having to yet again post why and give more information instead of answering the questions.

So now you will decide whether or not the actual questions themselves warrant an answer?

Or is it just because Inferno asked it?

And here is the reason for all reading to see as to WHY I asked it. ( and that shouldnt matter now anyway should it? )

As you may or may not know......

Tbar owns a gaming website. Owns as in Incorporated, pays taxes expenses etc etc.

Tbar needs to keep his business at least breaking even if not making money.

So it is fair to say that Tbar has a "monetary" interest in keeping his endeavor afloat and viable.

This puts "Caveat Emptor" into the equation. "Buyer Beware" meaning you are responsible to find out about the product you are about to buy.

There has been no attack on TBAR. There has been no inuendo. There has been no gamesmanship. I asked a straight question and yet still have to explain why I am asking?

However You, I or anybody feel about TBAR the fact that he owns a business that makes money off of communities like ours (where most of give our time for free btw),
cannot be dismissed and must be kept on top of at all times.

So the questions are extremely valid and are in fact concerning the whole community.

And Im quite surprised that I was even asked to explain the reason behind my questions.

very arrogant posture from someone who considers himself  "a respected leader" in the community btw.

Perhaps Sharpnel you should be asking Tbar why he refuses to answer the question not Inferno why he asked it.

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« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2009, 04:12:55 AM »

Yes, Fern, you are right in saying that the topic was about the AA community and not just USAAC,

Apart from any personal friendships or enmities my role here is that of Forum Manager and I do my very best to keep the two things separate.

I will not pretend ignorance of USAAC's past history. I have done extensive reading of past posts and I am aware of issues that caused several heated debates that were not always civil nor respectful. Let me make it clear that I am not passing judgement on anyone involved in past exchanges. I have no bias but I am anxious to avoid any re-occurrence of similar unpleasantness.

Yes I was a little nervous, not so much because of the questions you were asking, but that you were seeking an association betwwen the server that hosts the CLP and Tbar's business interests. As far as I know the server that hosts the CLP is in Germany. Regardless, it seems to me that any inquiries about it's location and ownership should be addressed to those who administer the CLP. So, yes I guess I was seeking a reason behind your question because I failed to understand  why you were bringing it up and seeking to associate it with Tbar's alleged business interests.

It is unfortunate that you consider me to be arrogant in asking you to elaborate but I can assure you that my interest here is not to hamper discussion nor to prevent anyone from speaking their mind. I am simply fulfilling my role of clarifying what may not be clear, ensuring that we stay on topic and that we have a civil and respectful discourse. I believe the topic is valid and is resulting in some positive input. I would appeal to all concerned however to avoid unnecessary personal references or inferences.






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« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2009, 06:24:28 AM »

Shrap,

The arrogant statement was written incorrectly. I did not mean to refer it to you. After modifying my post thats what was left. It actually should have been modified to reflect that not answering a persons direct questions is arrogant and is in fact directed towards Tbar. So my apologies for not catching that in the last draft.

Moreover, In the body of this thread, and after some going back and forth Tbar presents the "super computer" part of the scenario. My questions are directed solely at this seemingly new development.

I respect that you have to watch and do your job. However tbar presented something that could be of paramount importance to the rest of the community and I asked for clarification. So yes I am asking questions that directly ask Tbar about his business intentions and associations.

So Shrap lets review the parts that need clarification because they are written poorly ( by design or by mistake?)

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Lets update you and all the readers a little bit. As you have probably guessed by now there is a reason for this post
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OK so we can now establish that there is an underlying reason for the post....

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that its not only to 'inform' but to collect information and find out what some 'fears' might be
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OK sounds GREAT! I might have a fear to present :)

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to be addressed and put to rest later
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OK AGAIN :) Lets get on with the meat of the matter as indicated by the sentences above! I cant wait to hear what some of this is! It sounds very interesting!

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The server the CLP is on now is a super computer
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OH? I never knew that but thats great!! Thanks for that info. :)

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It can handle 50 times what it does now (relative)
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Ok, maybe that means it can handle 50 times more function and traffic than it does at the present.?

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That server is short is powerful. It could handle all communities, all squad sites, and more. No problem
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Sounds like great news.

So you mean to tell me that all of this build up was based around an introduction to a super computer in use by the clp?

there must be some behind the scenes discussion of this that the general public isnt apparently aware of. Is Tbar attempting to make us aware of it?

Why not just come out and present it in the original discussion?

Whats the cloak and dagger all about?

My request for clarification is still valid IMO.









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« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2009, 10:15:10 AM »

Yeah, inquiring minds want to know, what's up Tbar?
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« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2009, 09:30:37 PM »

Yeah, inquiring minds want to know, what's up Tbar?

Hawk what is UP.. is simply the Topic as stated: What is the purpose of an AA Community. Given that each community may define their role and purpose a little differently.. or totally different. Since this is the USAAC site, I ask the question from our viewpoint of what is that purpose at this time. I ask in hopes of presenting what the public and members have to say..  to our USAAC Agenda for consideration and discussion. Maybe nothing will come of it.. maybe we will expland our role and purpose to enhance our experience with AA.

The purpose of the USAAC when it was created was simply for the interests of the member squads. Since the revamping of our Charter, and public requests for more representation, I feel its time to address and possible revamp our Role as a Community.

That is it.. plain and simple.
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« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2009, 04:38:15 AM »

After re-reading the thread a few times I can concede the part of the server computer, it seems as if Tbar was just trying to point out the current server has more capacity than what we use. ( I think )

So there really is no concern and I withdraw the concern.

However the thread was started on questions and re-directions.

And it sure is written like a sales pitch.

Still would have been easier to respond " No, No and No," to the question.


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« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2009, 06:11:54 AM »

Thank you for clearing that up for us, Fern. I was hoping there wasn't going to be another word war.  crazy Language, sometimes, can be like an optical illusion. It isn't always what it seems.

As for the purpose of the topic I guess it is kind of like a sales pitch trying to encourage participation and seeking ideas.

By the way are you going to register for the IPG? You wanted it, it needs you.  Cool Bring some friends if you have any.  prrr
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« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2009, 06:26:13 AM »

Yes, Fern, when are you going to register for the Indpendent Pilot Group? If those who aren't in USAAC squads want representation in their home community they need to step forward.

http://usaac.us/forums/index.php/topic,708.0.html

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« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2009, 07:00:00 AM »

Yeah Fern,

What gives?

Taxation without representation, you wanted it prrr
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